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Underdosed and Craving (March 1997, Vol. II,
No. III Methadone Today)
Methadone and Health (April 1997,
Vol. II, No. IV Methadone Today)
More to Underdosed (May 1997, Vol.
II, No. V Methadone Today)
How Long Should I Stay on Methadone? (June
1997, Vol. II, No. VI Methadone Today)
Serum Levels and Split Dosing (July 1997, Vol.
II, No. VII Methadone Today)
Thanks to Dr. Marc Shinderman of Center for Addictive Problems,
who has joined our Medical Advisory Board.
Not Able to Sleep When Detoxing (August 1997,
Vol. II, No. VIII Methadone Today)
Serum Level Testing (September 1997, Vol II,
No. IX Methadone Today)
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Ms. Francisco,
As the Medical Director at UPC Jefferson Avenue Research Clinic, I would
like to congratulate you on both Methadone Today as well
as your web site. The work you are doing is very valuable. If you would
be interested, Dr. Schuster and I would be willing to answer medical and
pharmacologic questions about methadone for Methadone Today.
You could solicit questions from readers and we could answer one or
two questions from a small group that you could select. I recognize that
there are pros and cons for doing this. Clearly, your publication is for
and by patients and we would not want to detract from this mission. Let
us know if you are interested. Again, we completely understand if there
are reasons why you might not want to take us up on this offer. Sincerely,
John Hopper
Assistant Professor, Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, Psychiatry
Medical Director, Clinical Research Division on Substance Abuse,
Wayne State University
We were thrilled to receive this offer from Dr. Hopper and Dr. Schuster,
and we are pleased to announce that we will feature a "Dear Doctor Column"
to answer medical and pharmacologic questions. John Hopper, M.D., will
answer your question this month. Dr. Charles Schuster and Herman Joseph,
Ph.D. will also answer questions for us. Please send questions and/or comments
to Methadone Today.
Underdosed and Craving
Dear Doctor:
I am a patient in a methadone clinic and have been for several years,
but I only recently discovered that a proper dose should take away cravings
for opiates. I thought that when withdrawal symptoms were taken care of,
I should stop increasing the dose even though cravings continued. Although
I have not used any other opiates, I don't believe I have been properly
dosed all this time. In fact, I started drinking several times because
I felt cravings but was afraid to start using drugs again. I haven't had
a drink in a long time; I am afraid to drink too, because I just don't
quit. This is no way to live if a higher dose would stop the cravings.
I tried to detox several times because other people wanted me to, but
I was unable to do so. I am scared to death to try it again because having
the cravings that I do at this dose (65mg), I know I would return to other
opiates if I was not on methadone maintenance. And anytime I bring up an
increase to the doctor, he wants to know, "Why don't you get off this junk."
Medication that saved my life is not "junk."
From reading I have done, most patients are very conservative and don't
ask for a sufficient dose. As for myself, I am afraid to ask for an increase
because I have been in the program so long being a good little girl, keeping
my dose down, and I don't know how to approach the issue. Do you have any
advice for me? Thanks - Underdosed and craving
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Dear U & C:
"Craving" is probably one of the most important but least understood
aspects of drug dependence. There can be many causes of craving. Some cravings
may be "physiologic" and respond to changes in methadone doses, some may
be "conditioned", or learned, and may require other methods of "treatment".
Certain situations may remind you of your prior opiate use and trigger
cravings. Some common triggers are seeing a friend with whom you used to
use drugs, passing a place where you used to buy drugs, or having enough
cash that you could buy opiates.
Since you have been in treatment a number of years, you might start
to address this by keeping a "craving record". In this log, you can record
the date, time, and situation that precipitated the craving. You could
also add a "severity" scale (e.g. mild, moderate, severe). Keeping this
type of diary may give you significant insight into your cravings. Are
there situations that might be avoidable or modifiable? Is there a particular
pattern? Reviewing this record with your counselors and clinicians could
allow you to further your treatment plans (medication or otherwise). -
John Hopper, M.D.
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Methadone and Health
Dear Doctor:
I'd like to ask you a question regarding methadone and health. I have
been taking methadone for 13 years, and I am on 100mg (always was on 100).
Are there any known negative side effects of long-term use? The other question
concerns weight. When I ask doctors, I get mostly, "I don't know." I blew
up when I went on methadone, and much of my weight appears to be water.
Not only do I perspire profusely, but my weight can vary 10 to 15 lbs.
in a day! What's the story?
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Dear Patient:
Your concerns about methadone's safety and side effects are understandable.
Like all drugs, methadone has both common and uncommon side effects. Individual
differences in response are very important, but for the vast majority of
patients (including pregnant women and their offspring), methadone will
have no significant long-term side effects. This can be said based on about
thirty years of experience with methadone programs in this country. Methadone
mimics the natural body chemistry of endorphines so its safety is not surprising.
Water retention and weight gain on methadone are not unusual. Many people
gain weight from better eating habits. Your metabolism may also slow down,
and this can result in some weight gain. All opiates have an "antidiuretic
effect" which causes water retention. For some people, the water gain is
more pronounced. Wide swings in weight could indicate another problem.
You should definitely discuss water weight gain with your doctor if you
also have shortness of breath, leg swelling, or swelling in the abdomen.
Your body is able to gradually adjust to many of methadone's effects.
Unfortunately, if you have profuse sweating on methadone, this will usually
persist. Your best bet in this case is to try to modify things like the
types of clothes you wear, the antiperspirant you use, or the types of
skin care products (like powder) that you put on.
I would be interested to hear from readers on how they have dealt with
sweating.
Dr. John Hopper, M.D.
Assistant Professor, Internal Medicine,
Pediatrics, Psychiatry
Medical Director, Clinical Research Division on Substance Abuse,
Wayne State University
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More to Underdosed
To the patient who has been in treatment for several years and
feels that she has been under dosed all this time, Dr. Andrew Byrne, of
Australia, added a few comments to what Dr. Hopper told us:
Dear "Under dosed",
I was interested in the doctor's comments on cravings and the complexity
of such feeling. In my practice, we routinely order blood methadone levels
on patients with questions like yours. You have been on 65mg for some time,
I gather, and still have periods where you get cravings. Professor Dole,
who originated methadone treatment, says that to avoid cravings, the blood
methadone levels should not drop below 200 ng/ml. It is very likely that
your levels (24 hours after a dose) are well below this. Some of our patients
in whom the question arose had levels which were not even detectable.
The long and short is very simple. Assuming that you have no signs of
toxicity (pinned pupils, nodding, sleepiness, etc.) then a dose increase
is appropriate. Your dose is about average for our practice, meaning that
half of our patients take more. We have people on as low as 2.5mg and as
high as 300mg daily. It is incredible that some people on 50mg have higher
blood levels that those on 150mg. Best of luck with your decisions...but
remember, if you are going to all the rigors of being on MMT, then you
might as well be on the dose which makes you feel and function at your
best.
Andrew Byrne (Aussie MD, Sydney)
Many thanks to Dr. Byrne for allowing us to use his comments.
Beth Francisco, Editor & Publisher, Methadone Today
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How Long Should I Stay on Methadone?
Dear Doctor:
I am fairly new to a methadone clinic and relatively young. How long
do you suggest that I remain in methadone maintenance treatment? Terry
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Dear Terry,
Most people whether new to methadone or not, wonder how long they should
remain in maintenance treatment. Because treatment is individualized for
your addiction, the decisions of if and when to come off are unique to
you. The Health and Human Services Administration recognizes this, and
states the following on the FDA 2635 form that you signed on enrolling
in treatment: "I realize that for some patients narcotic treatment may
continue for relatively long periods of time, but that periodic consideration
shall be given concerning my complete withdrawal from the use of all narcotic
drugs."
I would encourage you to look at these areas to decide when you are
ready to try a reduced dose:
Have you stopped using all illicit opiates?
Have you established supportive/stable interactions with non-drug using
peers?
Have you put you life together in dimensions such as family, work,
spiritual, legal, medical, psychological?
Have you developed appropriate (non-drug using) mechanisms for dealing
with potential "roadblocks" to recovery (e.g. depression, anxiety, anger,
disputes, health problems)?
Some people will get to the point of reducing sooner than others. The
length of time you were addicted and your relative well-being in mind,
body, and spirit may determine how long you will be on methadone. I hope
this is helpful, good luck in your recovery!
Dr. John Hopper, M.D.
Assistant Professor, Internal Medicine,
Pediatrics, Psychiatry
Medical Director, Clinical Research Division on Substance Abuse,
Wayne State University
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Serum Levels & Split Dosing
Dr. Marc Shinderman, Center for Addictive Problems (CAP) - Chicago
Dear Doctor:
About three months ago, I got on a methadone maintenance program. Instead
of being started at the standard 40mg, I was started on 20mg--I think because
I was so high when I went in there, I'm not sure. Anyway, 20mg was fine
for the first week, then I started getting sick in the morning. I kept
increasing my dose 10mg at a time, and the same thing would happen. The
dose would hold me fine for about 5 days, then I would start waking up
sick. I was up to 100mg, and I was still waking up sick in the morning.
I dose at 8:00 a.m., and by 3:00 a.m. the next morning, I'm sick as a dog.
When I wanted to go up again, they didn't believe that I was sick, so
they drew some blood to see what my methadone blood level was. As I suspected,
it was low. They told me that because of my metabolism, I'm a "fast metabolizer",
and my body is running though the methadone "very quickly". The people
at the clinic tell me that if I keep going up, I will eventually find a
dose that holds me for the full 24 hours.
At the dose I'm at, already I can't take the constipation. I have to
take six stool softeners, a gallon of water, and 1-2 enemas A DAY if I
ever want to have a bowel movement.
I never had so much trouble on heroin. My psychiatrist (who, by the
way, was the medical director of the same clinic from '75-'85) tells me
that no matter what dose I go up to, my body will adjust, and I'll ALWAYS
get sick in the morning. He recommended that I detox. I went down to 95mg
about three days ago. Mind you, I was already getting sick on 100mg/day.
From about 2:00 a.m. until my dose, I'm in full-fledged withdrawal.
What should I do? Is it true that I won't ever reach a dose that holds
me? The catch-22 is that at the dose I'm on, I can't tolerate the side
effects, but it's not holding me 24 hours. I can't go up; I can't go down.
Because my metabolism is so fast, I requested a "split dose", but because
I'm new to the clinic, they won't trust me with any evening take-homes.
I'm so screwed. I need some advice. I'm much worse off than when I was
using heroin: Now, I have to go through withdrawal every single day of
my life. I want to blow my head off. - Matt
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Dear Matt:
Relax. Your problems are not impossible ones.
1. Senna or Sennatural or Senekot is the best stool softener for most
of my patients. Take it. Get your dose, divided.
2. What we do at CAP, in such cases, is divide the dose in two or three
portions. At first, I would advise 50mg in the morning and 50mg as long
after as you can handle, feeling comfortable. The first day, I would recommend
100 mg as usual, 50 mg 12 hours later, then 50mg the next morning and afternoon
from then on.
3. You should protest it to the regulatory agency in the state and FDA
and protest it to the people who give the MD his license if they do not
respond adequately. If the clinic says that this is against the "rules,"
they are mistaken or they are talking about their rules, which should not
prevent good medical treatment. The doctor can ask the regulators for an
exception due to your medical situation. The low serum level is in the
record. Your complaint of constipation is serious and not unique.
If they do not trust you, they should arrange for you to drink your
medication 2 times a day, observed. This anti-patient treatment is what
drives patients back to smack. It is unethical. The "rules" cannot be applied
with clinical success to every person, and the FDA will grant exceptions
to them.
4. You should go to a clinic where they give you a take home split dose.
As a second, very stupid, but possible solution, you should go to a clinic
where you could dose observed twice a day, 6 hours apart, or more. (At
CAP we medicate 5:30 am to 7 pm, for example). We get exceptions for split
doses for new patients every few weeks or so. We do it to get their serum
levels up and keep them from using heroin. We think that is the main job
that we have. Everything else is secondary. Being able to hold off on your
dose, from time to time, may help with the constipation (along with the
Senna and water).
5. Try LAAM at 120 to 140 mg. Yes, I said LAAM, ORLAAM. Some patients
like it better than methadone. You may be one of them and it is worth a
shot. You are near to relapse--a better choice than what you feel like
doing: ("I want to blow my head off"). Use all the tools available to hold
on to your health. LAAM is one. Why? Keep reading.
a. you only go to the clinic 3x a week (if it is a good clinic, you
can choose to see your counselor or get what you need from it, anytime.
If it is lousy, as I infer from their mistreatment of you, enjoy the break
from their ignorance.
b. it may not give you constipation.
c. it holds fast metabolizers longer.
d if you do use opiates, it has no consequence on your clinic schedule.
You come 3 days a week, using or not.
e. LAAM will cost the clinic 300 percent more than methadone, which
might give you some twisted pleasure. You deserve some revenge.
You ask if it is true that you won't ever reach a dose that holds you.
No, that is ridiculous. You may need to see an actual MMT professional
physician who knows how to medicate patients. You have no real problem
that common sense cannot deal with. Hold on.
While you are waiting for rational care you can try the dopey but practical
stop gap measures of taking meds that will help you on the screwy regime
that you are on (100mg/D single dose).
You can take a few tabs of over-the-counter Tagamet, the generic is
cimetadine, and you can use a small dose of clonidine at the time when
you feel that you are feeling "funky" or might otherwise describe the moment
that you know that you will not be feeling great in an hour or two. If
you take clonidine when you feel okay or 4 hours before your dose or 8
hours after, it can make you pass out. You should have an MD prescribing
the clonidine and she will advise you of the risks, which are real. Do
not take clonidine from a friend. Your brains CAN "BLOW OUT" if you take
a lot for a few weeks, and then stop, suddenly. It is not candy. It is
not benzos. It is blood pressure medication. It works.
Finally, if none of the above works out, you should come to our clinic,
and we will transfer you back as soon as possible--stabilized. What you
have to lose in relapse or blowing your brains out is well worth whatever
it takes to spend a month or two in Chicago.
(Tell me about what medications, alcohol or drugs that you may be taking
now. If "some," there may be different answers than the ones above. Ditto
for hepatitis or anti HIV meds.) Dr. Marc Shinderman, Center for Addictive
Problems (CAP)
Editor's Note: We are delighted that Dr. Shinderman has
joined our Medical Advisory Board. His should be the standard for all methadone
clinics. The patients are the most important people there, and it is not
an inconvenience to them to get the patient properly and correctly dosed.
Thank you, Dr. Shinderman - Beth Francisco, Editor
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Not Able to Sleep When Detoxing
Dear Doctor:
I have tried many, many times to come off of methadone, but I always
face the same two major obstacles--not being able to sleep and the feeling
of a need to get high again. What's going on, and what do you suggest that
I try? Signed C.O.
Dear C.O.:
Each person has a unique set of issues to deal with when trying to
come off methadone. Your problems with sleep and wanting to "get high"
are tough to address without knowing you as a person. Some of the things
I would like to know more about include: What are your sleep habits and
patterns? Over what period of time did you taper your dose before wanting
to get high? Are you using any other opiates while on methadone? Do you
feel like getting high when you are on your maintenance dose? If so, when
and how often?
I think these are all important issues to discuss with your counselor
and physician. The issue of wanting to get high is particularly hard to
address without knowing more about you. Something that many counselors
emphasize for all types of distressing symptoms is to keep a personal log
of when these symptoms occur, how severe, and what are the possible triggers.
I can say a few things, in general, about not being able to sleep. Untreated
or unrecognized anxiety and depression can be causes of poor sleep. In
addition, having a regular and stable pattern of sleep habits is necessary
to ensure restful sleep after tapering methadone. This includes waking
up at the same time each day (weekends as well), using the bedroom only
for sleep and sex (not drug use), and not spending too long lying in bed
waiting to fall asleep. These are a few general principles for all people
with sleep problems. Hopefully these ideas can lead to some productive
discussions with your counselor or others. - Dr. John Hopper
Dr. John Hopper, M.D.
Assistant Professor, Internal Medicine,
Pediatrics, Psychiatry
Medical Director, Clinical Research Division on Substance Abuse,
Wayne State University
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Serum Level Testing
Dear Doctor:
My clinic thinks they have to take blood twice when checking serum levels.
From what I have read, this is not necessary. Also, I have heard there
is a test that doesn't do much good and/or is used against the patient.
Can you clarify these issues for us? - Wondering
Dear Wondering:
The only lab that can be trusted is the Quest LAB which is in San Diego;
it used to be called Nichols, then MetPath Corning, and now "Quest." They
are expensive at $30 to $40, per test.
Peak levels are useless to me. I prefer observing the effect of a dose
on a patient three or four hours after dosing and getting a serum methadone
trough level (24 hours after last dose). If the patient shows sedation
or intoxication at 4 hours but has a low serum level and complains of withdrawal,
I infer that they are fast metabolizers, needing a split dose. If there
is no intoxication, with complaints of withdrawal or continued illicit
drug use and a low serum methadone trough level, a substantial increase
is required.
I am aware of an inexpensive test from another San Diego Lab which does
not measure serum levels in the customary way and presents results as:
"25ng/ml is low - 400 ng/ml is high." There is no useful conversion factor
between this and the traditional method, where 400 ng/ml at 24 hours
after dosing is the LOWEST level considered adequate to
reduce craving. Citing the results of this test and using the traditional
numbers, patients can be denied adequate treatment even by well-intentioned
clinicians. What this test calls "high" is actually low by numbers cited
in the CSAT literature.
Beware of any test that does not come from the Quest Lab. I have had
bizarre results with every other lab that I have tried. Please let the
advocates know that the labs used can have a big difference on outcome.
Dr. Marc Shinderman
Center for Addictive Problems (CAP)
Chicago, Illinois
Comments: Andrew Byrne
(July 1997 issue)
Poor Matt is driven mad by withdrawals and constipation. This is most
unusual as true withdrawals nearly always cause diarrhea in my experience.
I wonder if the constipation could be aggravated by a lack of fibre and/or
exercise? We have a big jar of dried fruit at our methadone dispensary.
I agree with Dr Shinderman's advice concerning alternatives if sufficient
methadone still does not suit. It is upsetting that some Americans must
clutch at straws just to get adequate levels of methadone. The desperate
measures included taking yet another drug (Tagamet or clonidine), attending
the clinic 2 or 3 times daily or even packing up and moving to Chicago
for proper treatment!
I would add that buprenorphine may be appropriate in some who simply
cannot take methadone. It is used routinely in some countries such as France
where I am told most patients are given all their medicine to take home
for the week (no supervised dosing)!
Twice daily dosing is an excellent concept but a dreadful nuisance
in practical terms. It is true that excretion rates are proportional to
blood levels at a given time. Hence, if there is no surge or peak after
a single daily dose, the overall amount of methadone in the body over the
whole day is slightly higher as less is excreted early in the day.
In most patients, inadequate levels call for a higher single daily
dose. It is only in those with extremely rapid metabolism who need twice
daily doses. These people are stoned three hours after their dose but then
in withdrawals 18 hours later. They have huge pupils and arrive at the
clinic right on opening time.
We have known for years that the 'half-life' of methadone varies from
as little as 12 hours to as long as 90 hours. In the great majority, however,
it is more like 24, and daily dosing "of the right amount" is fine. Congratulations
on your excellent newsletter - keep up the good work.
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Dr Andrew Byrne, General Practitioner
75 Redfern Street, Redfern, New South Wales, 2016, Australia Tel
(61-2) 9319 5524 Fax 9318 0631
E-mail ajbyrne@ozemail.com.au
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Dr. Byrne has written two books: Methadone in the Treatment of Narcotic
Addiction--A guide for those involved in prescribing methadone and Addict
in the Family--How to cope with the long haul.
Available from bookstores or from Tosca Press. If you need more
information, E-mail Methadone Today at: yourtype@tir.com or Dr. Byrne at
the above address.
On Sweating:
I'd like to comment on an article in Methadone Today written by Dr.
John Hopper, M.D. The clinic that Craig (my significant other) and I were
on offered both the liquid Methadose and the wafers. We tried both and
had much better luck while taking the wafers. My body while on Methadose
would perspire profusely and, like so many others, we both blew up like
a balloon. When we switched to the wafers, one of the things that we both
immediately noticed was that we no longer sweat, we both lost weight, and
water retention was reduced back to normal. When we noticed that we were
no longer retaining water, we were better able to lose weight with a low-fat
diet. - Lesia
I find that I sweat when I am at the higher doses, i.e. over 100 mg.
Everybody else can be running around with sweaters on, and I feel like
I have a furnace burning inside me. If it is important to you not to sweat,
I would recommend dropping several mgs. to see if that might help you too.
- Nancy
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