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       | STATEMENT OF DR. B. B. ROBINSON
BUREAU OF PLANT INDUSTRY DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE.   
   DR. ROBINSON: If fibres produced from plants were ranked in accordance with their world production in tonnage, hemp would occupy a
 position of probably third or fourth. It would be surpassed by cotton and
 jute produced in India, and in some years by flax. That gives you some idea
 of where it stands in relative importance.
 Dr. Wright mentioned a matter that many of you are familiar with, the
 fact of the importance that hemp played in our earlier Colonial days
 before the introduction of the cotton gin.
 The culture of hemp in the United States, I might say has decreased
 because of the cheap competitive fibres which are produced by cheap labor
 in foreign countries, and it is because of this cheapness that they are
 substituted for hemp in many cases, and not because of the fact that they
 have characteristics that are better than hemp for cordage or textile
 purposes.
 The average world production between the years 1930 and 1954 for
 hemp was about 750,000 tons. And now, during that same period in the
 United States in this small industry we have produced about 500 tons. The
 world production was produced mainly by Russia where I think 56% of the
 fibre is produced, followed by Italy, Yugoslavia, Rumania as other
 producing countries, During the past year or two we imported for domestic
 consumption about 700 to 800 tons a year, so our total consumption,
 including domestically produced fibre, and imported fibre runs about from
 1500 to 2000 tons.
 Now, many of you here may wonder why such a small industry as that
 should be favored to continue on, particularly in the light of the
 detrimental character of certain parts of the plant used illegally.
 In the first place the United States is dependent upon the foreign production of fibres
other than cotton. The United States
 imports annually about 300,000 tons of fibre used for cordage and textile
 purposes. The estimated value last year was about $35,000,000. That does
 not include some importations of India twine.
 I do not mean to infer that if hemp were grown in this country, it
 could substitute for all of this 300,000 tons imported, but it is the
 principal fibre which we can get in the United atates, which could be
 substituted in many cases if conditions arose to make it necessary.
 The United States, is very thoroughly taken care of at present in
 reference to supplying our own needs on this cordage fibre.
 Another argument for the hemp industry is the adaptability of the
 hemp plant to various regions of the country and because of suitability for
 mechanical handling, and these are some of the reasons why the office
 with which I am connected in the Department of Agriculture is interested
 in seeing this small nucleus of hemp industry continued each year until it
 is capable of supporting itself under economic conditions. I am speaking
 more of the industry in Wisconsin rather than the promotional attempts to
 grow hemp in Minnesota which one might speak of an unorthodox
 processing. But this industry we have is capable at the present time of supporting itself
if public opinion does not force it to be
 shut doan, or additional restrictions hamper it.
 So, this industry could be benefited we naturally think, if this
 Marihuana stigma could be removed. However, the Wisconsin operators are
 not opposed to adjust themselves to the conditions and are very much
 interested in trying to overcome this drug problem.
 A couple of years ago when this problem was brought to the front
 more vividly than in the past, the Department of Agriculture was naturally
 interested in it, and the main way we could see to combat it was as to
 how to get around it [sic]. Naturally there might be less restriction on the
 production of hemp in this country if we could prove that in certain
 sections of the country, because of climatic conditions, the drug was not
 active, or if we could possibly get plants of varieties that lack the drug,
 which is probably an Utopian view, or that had it in low concentration.
 As a result we cooperated with the Bureau of Narcotics, in setting
 up some experiments. The Bureau of Narcotics has conducted all of the
 chemical work, and Dr. Marchett later on will speak of these tests. I do not
 want to go too much into his field. But, we have attempted under this cooperative work to
remove or reduce the resinous substance from
 commercial hemp.
 You gentlemen who are chemists and pharmacologists can assist the
 Agricultural program by furnishing the Agriculture Department some
 working tools or some tests by which we can tell the presence or absence
 of this drug, or its activity. It may be said that I am throwing it all on the
 chemists. I am not trying to do that, but we do need something to work
 with.
 So far we naturally have resorted to the Beam tests, the
 significance of which we do not know with certainty, but in the work we
 undertook last year, it was the only simple tool which we could work
 with.
 Now last summer out at Arlington farm close by, we planted a field
 in which there were 98 small plots of hemp that were set up in
 conformity with the statistical method of analysis of variances by a man
 named Fisher.
 We obtained statistically significant differences between the
 varieties using the alkaline but did not obtain it using the acid test. The
 question may arise, then, as to which is the most accurate of the tests in
 measuring the presence or absence of the drug.
 In reference to that, the question of the region of the hemp may play
 some importance. The native home of hemp is supposedly in central Asia, Ñand the hemp of
Chinese origin which
 has been distributed throughout the world has practically always been
 used for fibre purposes.
 The hemp that has come from India has been of the narcotic type and
 has not been cultivated generally for fibre. It has been cultivated for the
 drug. I wish I knew the history of this a little better, but from what I have
 been able to learn from others, hemp does not appear to constitute a
 narcotic problem in China. That is of a fibrous variety, and there is a great
 difference between that hemp and the hemp that came from India.
 With reference to our test at Arlington, the narcotic chemists
 selected samples at three different periods for the acid and alkaline test.
 We got a difference, mathematically significant between those tests. That
 is, the first sampling which I think was in the early part of June, was
 different from the later two samplings in that it was lower in that
 characteristic of activity, the numbers they gave on the Beam test.
 Actually, the last test was a little lower than the middle test, but it
 was not significantly lower.
 We arranged 8 different fertilizer treatments for the various plots
 and found that the fertilizer used had no effect on the strength or
 incidence either the acid or alkaline test.
 Because of the fertilizer result it would appear that soil vs. variations
 that occurred probably did not produce any differences or that the soil does
 not play a part.
 With reference to climate, so far we have not made a test for we have
 only had the work at Arlington. But we plan next summer, if things go well at
 Arlington, to conduct a test in Wisconsin. We have some cooperative agents in
 Mississippi and we thought we could get a test farm there. It has been
 suggested that we try to get one other region, Arizona or New Mexico, or out
 in that section. So far, we have not made arrangements, but, if we could get
 these various locations in the United States, then we could have a set-up
 whereby we could evolute [sic] climatic conditions in reference to certain
 tests, the Beam test or some other one if you can furnish it. These are the
 results which we have obtained so far in the agricultural program to get away
 from this drug.
 There have been several reasons I have not brought out as to why we
 thought we could get somewhere. We know by handling the plants that some
 of them are very resinous, and some are not.
 So, we are receptive to the work you men will do to give us some means
 of testing our plants so as to allow us to produce agriculturally some results which we
hope will help the industry.
 
 COMMISSIONER ANSLINGER: Thank you very muckh Dr. Robinson. You
 recall what I said about the Turkish annual report for the year 1937 in
 which it is said that Cannabis sativa with long stalks is grown for
 industrial purposes in various parts of Anatolia; that the fibre is used for
 the manufacture of ropes and sacks, and its resin content is so slight that
 it could not be used for the extraction of a narcotic drug. It might be
 interesting to get some Turkish seed.
 
 MR. WOLLNER: We have not had a great deal of success as regards
 those statements. We obtained some seed submitted by Dr. Bouquet and I
 believe Dr. Robinson planted some of them, without any success.
 
 DR. ROBINSON: We planted them under favorable conditions last
 spring. Roughly we may have gotten in the field 200 or 300 plants, and
 after our first Beam test it was estimated we had about 100 left. About
 the first of August, I came back from a trip to the west, and we el-
 iminated about two-thirds of the remainder leaving only about 40. I have
 harvested about 20 of these one-half were males, and we sent 10 from
 that collection over to Dr. Matchett to run an alkaline Beam test on. I was
 able to obtain out of that .about one-third negative and the rest positive.
 
 MR. WOLLNER: Was the amount of resin in these plants comparable to
 that in other plants?
 
 DR. ROBINSON: In harvesting these plants, we merely stripped the
 seed in the field to keep the birds from getting it and I would say that the
 African plant was more resinous than the Manchurian plant. It may be that
 the African plant was later in maturing, but still, by comparison with the
 Manchurian plant, it had more resin. My hand was simply caked with resin
 in stripping the plant for the seed.
 
 COMMISSIONER ANSLINGER: The Indian Government report for 1934
 shows that where they did not have this type of hemp all of the resin was
 imported from Central Asia.
 It is stated that the hemp cultivated in Europe does not carry the
 intoxicating properties of Indian hemp. While it is believed that the
 European hemp does not contain as much resin as is to be found in hemp
 usually produced in Asia, the production of the active resin is particularly
 variable, and there are some times great differences in quantity depending
 on the altitude of the place of cultivation.
 Are there any questions that you care to ask, Dr. Robinson?
 
 DR. HIBBEN: I would like to ask if you made any experiments
 artificially in the new varieties by radiation?
 
 DR. ROBINSON: We had a program for a number of years on hemp, and
 my predecessor, Mr. Dewey, who unfortunately could not be here this
 morning, reached retirement age three years ago, and our hemp program
 was interrupted.
 So far we have not gone into that, but to some extent we have
 considered it. These other methods we have approached seemed to have
 possibilities of results if the tests mean anything.
 I think this next spring, we should be able to plant these negative
 seeds we have, and those which have tested negative three different times
 and have been pollinated by plants in three different tests, and we should
 be able to give the chemists something definite to test.
 
 DR. MUNCH: It is my recollection, when Mr. Dewey made a test of the
 original plants growing in Arlington back in 1922, we found different
 physiological portents in the male and the female but, at that time, Mr.
 Dewey had seed he had obtained from various parts of the world, and it is
 my impression that after about three years of cultivation at Arlington, the
 growth characteristics of all of these plants tended to the same type. In
 other words, they all tended to hemp of a certain height, Ñas I say that occurred
 after three years of cultivation.
 
 DR. ROBINSON: I think that more or less that result is obtained.
 Professor Wright who may have had a little closer touch with the problem
 could answer you better. Wouldn't that be your opinion, Professor Wright?
 
 DR. WRIGHT: Yes, under the method used of applying open pollinating,
 that was the tendency as far as our observation went,Ñthat they were
 more or less alike.
 
 DR. ROBINSON: In reference to that, these stalks of hemp we obtained
 last year from these various sources, have all been isolated, so they have
 not been cross pollinated.
 
 DR. MUNCH I do not know where Mr. Young of Florence, South Carolina,
 got his idea for the raising of Cannabis for a medicinal purpose -
 
 DR. ROBINSON: He got it from Mr. Dewey.
 
 DR. MUNCH: There was a material decrease in the material before he
 finally abandoned that project.
 
 DR. ROBINSON: I do not know how he obtained it all, or that he
 obtained it all from Mr. Dewey, but as I recall, he did.
 
 DR. MUNCH: There is one other question, and that is as to the method
 by which the seeds themselves were obtained,-is that of any interest to you?
 
 COMMISSIONER ANSLINGER: Yes, Dr. Wright, can you give us something
 on the that?
 
 DR. WRIGHT: Commercial seed used for commercial planting?
 
 COMMISSIONER ANSLINGER: Yes.
 
 DR. WRIGHT: I do not have any notes on that. The seed are grown from
 plants cultivated principally for seed; I mean the ordinary hemp which has
 been planted for seed similar to corn. It is planted in rows, all harvested
 by hand, and put in large shocks like those in Kentucky. It is harvested in
 the latter part of September or the first of October in the section in
 which it is grown. Then the shocks are dumped over on large canvasses,
 smoothed out on the ground, and the stubble removed and beat out with
 sticks in the old fashioned method. This is the only place in the United
 States producing this commercially.
 
 DR. MATCHETT: Isn't most of the seed planted here produced in
 foreign countries?
 
 DR. WRIGHT: I do not get the question.
 
 DR. MATCHETT: Aren't most of the seeds produced in foreign
 countries?
 
 DR. WRIGHT: Most of the seed produced for Commercial purposes originated in China, central
China or towards the south part of China and was carried here for cultivation.
 
 MR. WOLLNER: I believe what Dr. Matchett means is the commercial
 crop that is grown for instance in Wisconsin, does that originate from
 seed grown in Kentucky, or the Far East?
 
 DR. WRIGHT: All of the hemp planted in the United States for
 commercial purposes comes from Kentucky. That is, all of the legitimate
 hemp comes from seed grown in Kentucky. Does that answer the question?
 DR. MATCHETT: Yes.
 
 COMMISSIONER ANSLINGER: Dr. Matchett, you have been collaborating
 with Dr. Robinson in these experiments at Arlington. Can you tell us what
 results you obtained? Dr. Robinson has told us quite a lot about the
 results, but I think you can probably elaborate upon them.
 
 DR. MATCHETT: First of all I might state we made these tests in the
 manner that was published by us last year, and in the treatment we
 divided the tests into six categories, according to the depth of color that
 we obtained, beginning with zero for negative plants. These plants which,
 gave us only traces of color, which we felt should not be overlooked, but
 which we also felt would not constitute wholly satisfactory
 identification of the plant, were designated number one.
 
 Those plants characterized as 2, gave strong responses, definitely
 positive, and those as 3, 4, and 5 responded with increasing intensity in
 that order.
 
 Briefly we found on variety No. 1, a Rumanian variety 97.5% of the
 plants tested would have been satisfactorily identified by the Beam test.
 That is assuming for the moment the single test would be sufficient,
 which I believe is generally understood not to be so.
 
 Variety No. 2, another Rumanian variety, gave us 100%.
 
 Variety No. 3, the third Rumanian variety, 87% of satisfactory
 response.
 
 Variety No. 5, Manchuria, 22.9% satisfactory response.
 
 Variety No. 6, Chinese, 13.8% satisfactory.
 
 Variety No. 9, Italian, 98.1%
 
 There is a very decided difference between the Chinese, and
 Manchurian varieties on the one hand and the Rumanian and Italian
 varieties on the other.
 
 Now there were some very interesting things in reference to the
 differences between the three test periods.
 
 It is true that there was one rather decided change, particularly in
 the second test, but there was not as significant difference between the
 number of negative plants, nor was the difference worked with reference
 to category No. l.
 
 The interesting thing was where we had many in category 2 in the
 first testing, in the next testing a considerable increase appeared in
 category 4, with a corresponding decrease in category 2.
 
 The actual number of negative plants was not significantly
 different. I believe the first test gave us 36, the second test 32, and the
 third test 40.
 
 During the course of our activities we found that molding had no
 apparent effect on one alkaline test response of either negative or
 positive plants. We permitted them to mold in a. very moist place for a
 period of five weeks. There was no change in the Beam test.
 
 COMMISSIONER ANSLINGER: I want to ask Dr. Wright a question. In
 harvesting the plant, Doctor, we understand that the farmer usually
 harvests it before the resin reaches its highest stage. Is that true?
 
 DR. WRIGHT: I will say yes, not knowing when the highest stage of
 the resin is reached myself, but from what I could gather from talking to
 Mr. Wollner and Dr. Link and those most familiar with the subject. It is cut
 in the mid-blossom stage, and from what I understand the plants are
 usually expected to have a high content of resin at that time.
 
 COMMISSIONER ANSLINGER: In our eradication program, 16,000 acres
 have been gone over, and as I understand it we will also have to go over
 that same acreage during the coming year, and probably the third year. Do
 you know how long that seed will remain dormant in the soil?
 
 DR. WRIGHT: I can only give you some guess on that. It is quite
 variable, and how long the seed will remain in the soil is simply my guess.
 If it is harvested the first year, before pollination occurs I would expect
 that to handle the situation under most circumstances. I am basing that on
 practical observation and experience, but if there is a repetition and the
 plant does become a volunteer plant, if the same process as followed for
 two years we could expect almost complete eradication.
 
 COMMISSIONER ANSLINGER: What seed could replace the hemp seed as
 bird food? There is a lot of growth throughout the country due to the
 casting about of bird seed. Now, however we require sterilization of hemp
 seed. We have not reached the 100% point in sterilization but the seed
 people tell us they should sell the seed in 5% mixtures; but even 5%,
 mixtures if the seed is not properly sterilized, might produce some wild
 growth. Have you any suggestions on that?
 
 DR. WRIGHT: I believe that these gentlemen here from the animal
 biology department might be better able to judge of that than I am.
 
 DR., COUCH: As a matter of fact, I do not know anything on that point,
 and we have not gone into it at all. I am extremely interested however.
 
 COMMISSIONER ANSLINGER: I think there should be some discussion
 as to the relative activities between the male and the female plants.
 
 DR. BLATT: May I ask a question of Dr. Robinson? As I understand it,
 the average production is about 500 tons a year. Is that 500 tons of fibre?
 
 DR. ROBINSON: Yes. This past summer, we had 1300 acres of hemp
 produced commercially in this country, and it has been running about that
 acreage with the exception that in 1934 and 1935 this acreage appeared in
 Minnesota, and in 1936 and 1937 we had a big acreages in Illinois, but
 those were acreages planted, you might say, for other purposes than the
 ordinary use, for there was an idea of producing fibre as a substitute for a
 wool and various things of that nature. Those industries that attempted to
 do that, for one reason or another, have dropped by the wayside, and 1000
 to 1500 acres is the normal hemp production each year in the United
 States.
 
 MR. WOLLNER: Professor Wright, you heard Commissioner Anslinger's
 question for information on the relationship between male and female
 plants. You are undoubtedly aware of most of the discussions in the past
 years on the subject of Marihuana, and that it has centered around the
 female plant. As a matter of fact, I believe the United States
 Pharmacopoeia refers to the flowering type of the female plant, and it is
 stated that Marihuana comes mostly from the female plant. I wonder
 whether historically that might not have arisen from the fact that
 possibly the male plant flowered at an earlier period than the female
 plant in the growth of the plant itself, and at the time of harvesting by
 force of circumstance they were limited to harvesting female tops.
 
 DR. WRIGHT: Not actually knowing it, I could not say, of course, but I
 am sure that is the answer. In the male plant the leaves drop off long
 before, the female plant, and when the traffickers have reached the plant
 the leaves have practically all gone from the male, but the females are
 luxuriant.
 
 MR. LEVINE: Is there any distinction between the fiber of males and
 females?
 
 DR. WRIGHT: You see, in fibre, they are cut at an early stage when the
 female plants are just forming the bud, and the male plants just shedding the pollen.
 
 MR. WOLLNER: Then the male plant would grow as tall as the female
 plant.
 
 DR. WRIGHT: Yes, they do usually reach the same height.
 MR. WOLLNER. When produced for fibre, the plant does not reach the
 height we experienced in Arlington.
 
 DR. WRIGHT: It has reached its full height when cut for fibre. You
 planted it in rows, too, which would add to the height.
 
 MR. HERWICK: I should like to ask Professor Wright a question as to
 whether or not there was any quantity of Cannabis raised in this country
 for commercial drug purposes.
 
 DR. WRIGHT: I cannot answer that question.
 
 DR. ROBINSON: Undoubtedly there are others here who could furnish
 that information. I do not know of a single case where any of it has been
 furnished companies for that purpose, but I think there are companies that
 get it for that purpose.
 
 MR. SMITH: There was a concern that grew it in Indianapolis several
 years ago for their own purposes.
 
 COMMISSIONER ANSLINGER: Most of the pharmaceutical houses before
 enactment of Federal Marihuana Legislation obtained their Cannabis supply from the Middle
West. There was relatively little importation of Cannabis for medical purposes.
 
 DR. COUCH: In the Food and Drug Administration, we occasionally see
 a questionnaire sent to the importers more or less of the patent medicine
 type, and also some well known pharmaceutical houses where cannabis is
 still found in the formula for certain products. Under the Pure Food and
 Drug Act, we have some requirements on that, and we are informed what
 the source of it is, whether gotten in this country or through importation.
 
 COMMISSIONER ANSLINGER: I think the stocks of some of the larger
 houses who are still putting this out are sufficient to carry them over for
 a considerable period of time. Some of the firms transferred or sold their
 product to other houses, but I know of a number of occasions where raw
 material was obtained in this country for the local trade.
 
 DR. WRIGHT: I have been informed by Doctors that they did get a
 considerable amount of their prepared processed material from Mexico. I
 was wondering if there was any processing plant in Mexico.
 
 COMMISSIONER ANSLINGER: I did not know they imported it for
 medical uses from Mexico.
 
 DR. MUNCH: Many of the commercial manufacturers have grown it, but
 because of the extreme variability of the potency of the material they
 were growing themselves, they attempted to import it from Madras or
 Bombay. But the material imported was often weaker than that grown in
 this country. So the next step was to purchase from Mr. Young at
 Charleston, South Carolina, or the general neighborhood of Lexington,
 Kentucky, or Nantou, Illinois. But, those sources folded up within the last
 ten years and there has not been any substantial production of material in
 the United States since then. I tested most of the material grown in this
 country that has been offered.
 
 COMMISSIONER ANSLINGER: I suppose that seed came from Kentucky,
 which in turn came from China.
 
 DR. MUNCH: That is true, but I have tested material grown in the
 United States commercially that was more potent in its physiological
 aspects than that imported from India.
 
 MR. FULLER: I think that came about as a result of the interest that
 developed in the production of it during the war, or just before we got into
 the war, because at that time I was in the field myself and grew it com-
 mercially for four or five years in Virginia from that same stock of seed
 that Young used in South Carolina, and which was obtained from the Bureau of Plant
Industry. I do not know whether he got it from Dewey or not.
 
 The plan we adopted was to cull out as much as possible the tall
 plants for purely commercial reasons. We could not get so much material
 from the tall plants. In other words, bushy plants grew up six and seven
 feet high, giving much more drug than those that grew up taller but not so
 bushy, When we considered it the proper time, you would grab hold of it. It
 felt like a sponge. We collected enough material then to produce a drug
 very much more potent than any imported material that came into the
 country.
 
 It was our experience that it really did not make much difference
 where the hemp came from, after it had been grown here and become
 acclimated to our conditions you could select bushy plants from it, and it
 was just as potent. It did not make any difference where it came from. We
 used to cull our plants, particularly the male plants. I used to think it did
 not have much effect, but be that as it may, that was what we did. I do not
 think we could have ever used the male plants anyway for, in stripping,
 the amount of material obtained was so small.
 
 COMMISSIONER ANSLINGER: How did you strip the plant?
 
 MR. FULLER: It was a very easy process. It was done by women, and
 they used gloves. In all of the years we were producing that material as far as we knew,
there never was a case of where anybody used it for illegitimate purposes. In fact at that
time, I do
 not think there was any Marihuana used. But, it did not pay us to go on.
 
 I think a great deal of the Cannabis sold in the drug trade came from
 the wild materials that grew in the Middle West and one of the largest
 dealers in drugs handled that crop. I knew him very well, and he told me at
 the time.
 
 DR. BROMBERG: What further preparation was there after stripping
 for medicinal purposes?
 
 MR. FULLER: We just baled it and sold it.
 
 DR. BROMBERG: Any other processing necessary?
 
 MR. FULLER: In the manufacturing of medicinals, it has to be
 extracted usually with alcohol end concentrated down to a solid extract.
 There was no attempt, and I do not think there has been any attempt made,
 to separate for commercial purposes the active principle, for even with
 all of the work done, we do not know what it is.
 
 MR. WOLLNER: Did you find, Mr. Fuller, in your growth of the plant
 commercially, that arid seasons or drier seasons would increase, or
 produce an increased quantity of resin?
 
 MR. FULLER: I do not think we noticed any difference. Now, I was in
 that portion of Virginia very near to Washington on the first plateau, six
 or eight miles out, and some of those summers were very dry. We would
 get sometimes six weeks without rain, and it did not seem to affect the
 yield at all. One season, I recall particularly, there was a great deal of
 rain, and the crop was just about the same.
 
 MR. WOLLNER: I would like to offer this thought to the Department of
 Agriculture. The statement is invariably made by people in Europe and the
 Far East and Near East that the amount of resin produced by a plant is in a
 measure proportionate to the rainfall, and the less rainfall the more resin.
 I wonder whether we are actually dealing with the question of the
 variation in the amount of resin produced as against the amount of resin
 exuded. That is to say, isn't it possible as a result of a condition, all that
 happens is the plant structure, so to speak, shrinks to evaporation and
 greater amount of resin appears on the surface, but the absolute quantity
 contained by the flowering tops and the leaves is the same ?
 
 DR. ROBINSON: I think your point is well taken, and it was my
 intention to go into some of those points in those tests throughout the United States. We
collected material over at Arlington Farm last summer at various stages for the purpose of
 making a microtome test of these little pockets. So far we have not had
 time to do very much on that, and there are gentlemen here who have done
 more. We actually found those pockets present in pants two weeks old and
 on varying specimens which we have in our office. We want back to plants
 that were less [than] three weeks old and we found there hashish material.
 Now in older plants in some of the specimens we have of Indian hemp, it
 seemed to be exuded from the cells all over the surface, and I imagine in
 such plants as that, if it exuded if you touched it, much more would come
 off than if it had not exuded. Is that what you mean, certain climatic
 conditions would cause cells to erupt, and the viscosity of the exudate
 would be such that it would spread.
 
 MR. WOLLNER: I am thinking in terms of opium or the poppy. You can
 get opium from the pod without scarifying, and the thought struck me, in
 the case of Cannabis, since the leaf is always extracted in this country,
 and since in the past the process has been of rubbing it from the outside,
 in the East, they get more resin than we do, due to the fact that more has
 exuded but not more produced.
 
 DR. HIBBEN: There is another factor involved in the question about
 rainfall, and the formation of resin, and that is perhaps the production of
 resin would depend upon the amount of sunshine, and the more rainfall, the
 less sunshine. In tomato plants for example, the Department of
 Agriculture has done a great deal of experimentation as to foliage, and [it]
 has been shown that the quantity of foliage depends greatly upon the
 duration of sunshine the plant has received.
 
 MR. WOLLNER: I had not thought of that.
 
 DR. HIBBEN: Some plants require a great deal of sunshine.
 
 DR. WRIGHT: May I ask you this question, - I was interested in the
 fact that you selected the bushy plant believing it more profitable to do
 that.
 
 MR. FULLER: Yes.
 
 DR. WRIGHT: Did you have any observations at all to indicate they
 were more potent or more satisfactory to the purchaser than the more
 slender plants; have you any reason to believe there is a difference
 between the two?
 
 MR. FULLER: No, I do not think there is any difference, for the green
 leaf from the male plant yields resin, and as far as we could determine,
 the resin was just as potent as the female. You do not get so much per plant. That was
 what we were interested in, but, as far as quality is concerned, I do not
 think there was any difference.
 
 COMMISSIONER ANSLINGER: And now, Gentlemen, if we have no more
 questions on the agricultural phase of the problem we will proceed to a
 little more controversial subject. The pharmacological phase. I would like
 to have Dr. Munch give us a little history of the pharmacology of
 Marihuana.
 
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